From: Jeff Bailey
To:
R H Neergaard

Date:
Sunday, April 4, 2004 11:48 AM

Subject: EWTH

Hi Dick,

Only had a quick glance at 1856 index but guess who lives at 44 Compton Street (Clerkenwell)-

Mrs Anne DOWNER, metal dealer

44 Compton Street is where James Treadaway Hoare was living when he married Sarah Hurrell in 1861

Is James TH somehow Anne Downer's son?

Is this a clue to the "Downer" addition

Also 31 Aldersgate is listed as "Star"

Have I told you that Ann Saxby married Edmund Downer at St John's Hackney in 1836. Probably same Ann Downer as at 44 Compton street in 1852

Jeff

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Hi Jeff

The Downer name suggests links between the families; but the coincidence of addresses on top of that would seem to nail it for sure.

So why would James give his son the middle name Downer? His wife's, Edmund's mother's, maiden name was Jane Hill (though in the 1881 census, the Edmond Hoare head-of-household's "mother" is "Jane Done" , suggesting Jane had remarried after Edmund was born). A guess of course is that one of their (James' or Jane's mothers') maiden names was Downer, that this ~1790 Miss Downer had a brother xxx Downer. Brother xxx Downer in turn had a son Edmund Downer, born, as his 1st cousin Jane was, ~ 1816, and who grew up to marry Ann Saxby in1836.

This would make the Edmund-cum-Saxby the 1st cousin once-removed, of Edmund EWTH's erstwhile father (ie, possibly standing in for a deceased Edward).

A quick check in LDS of Edmund Downer 1820 ± 20 yrs. yields four listings (and a duplicate) in the International Genealogical Index (none in any other LDS source):

And among them, lookee here!

 

EDMUND DOWNER

Marriages:

Spouse: HARRIET HOARE

02 APR 1826 West Wittering, Sussex, England

 

Possibly Harriet was James's older sister? And maybe Ann Saxby was a 2nd wife (if Edmund was older and passed away, Ann might well have moved in with his relatives at #44).

There's also:

EDMUND DOWNER

Christening:

27 SEP 1803 Sidlesham, Sussex, England

Parents:

Father: THOMAS DOWNER

Mother: MARY

.....Or even a third wife?

EDMUND DOWNER

Marriage: 01 MAR 1831 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England

Wife

REBECCA DIXON

EDMUND DOWNER:

Birth:

09 DEC 1834

Christening:

12 APR 1835 Portchester, Hampshire, England

Parents:

Father: EDMUND DOWNER

Mother: REBECCA

 Dick